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A few weeks ago I talked myself into a new CCW gun. I had been looking at the little Kel-Tec PF-9 for quite some time now... I didn't really need one, but as any gun-guy knows, "need" often has little to nothing to do with it...... I finally got a chance to take it out the other day and ran a little over 200 rounds thru it of both commercial ammo, and my handloads...both FMJ and HP's in various weights....and then followed all that up with a 20-round box of the Magtech Guardian Gold +P 115 gr. JHP, which is what I intend to carry in it....and had no problems whatsoever... It hit the ground running, and never looked back... It isn't a "target pistol", but at 15 yards (which I figure is plenty of distance for a sub-compact 9mm pistol I intend to use for concealed carry) I could keep everything in a sheet of copy paper, which is what I used for targets, with a golf ball sized spot in the center to aim at..... I don't think that's bad at all for a sub-compact, semi auto that I paid a total of 289 dollars for.
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Picked up a new one myself.......
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:57 PM
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 01:48 AM
Mongojoe, on 11 March 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:
A few weeks ago I talked myself into a new CCW gun. I had been looking at the little Kel-Tec PF-9 for quite some time now... I didn't really need one, but as any gun-guy knows, "need" often has little to nothing to do with it...... I finally got a chance to take it out the other day and ran a little over 200 rounds thru it of both commercial ammo, and my handloads...both FMJ and HP's in various weights....and then followed all that up with a 20-round box of the Magtech Guardian Gold +P 115 gr. JHP, which is what I intend to carry in it....and had no problems whatsoever... It hit the ground running, and never looked back... It isn't a "target pistol", but at 15 yards (which I figure is plenty of distance for a sub-compact 9mm pistol I intend to use for concealed carry) I could keep everything in a sheet of copy paper, which is what I used for targets, with a golf ball sized spot in the center to aim at..... I don't think that's bad at all for a sub-compact, semi auto that I paid a total of 289 dollars for.
That sounds like a great firearm, especially for the
money you paid. The distance you shoot is more than
enough, and the idea of using a sheet of typing/copy
paper is perfect. For personal protection combat
shooting to hit that size of target anywhere from
two feet to 50 feet would be a perfect 'center
mass' shot. Work on 15 feet instead of yards for
your rapid draw/fire shooting, and that size paper
will make you second to none in any situation you
encounter.
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 10:40 AM
DJnRF, on 12 March 2010 - 01:48 AM, said:
That sounds like a great firearm, especially for the
money you paid. The distance you shoot is more than
enough, and the idea of using a sheet of typing/copy
paper is perfect. For personal protection combat
shooting to hit that size of target anywhere from
two feet to 50 feet would be a perfect 'center
mass' shot. Work on 15 feet instead of yards for
your rapid draw/fire shooting, and that size paper
will make you second to none in any situation you
encounter.
money you paid. The distance you shoot is more than
enough, and the idea of using a sheet of typing/copy
paper is perfect. For personal protection combat
shooting to hit that size of target anywhere from
two feet to 50 feet would be a perfect 'center
mass' shot. Work on 15 feet instead of yards for
your rapid draw/fire shooting, and that size paper
will make you second to none in any situation you
encounter.
Thank you.... And I intend to try what you suggest the next time I get a chance to get out and shoot.... Any more I pretty much have to wait for the wife...or my son in law, who lives next door...to get some free time to take me out, so I can do a little shooting... My wife doesn't like for me to drive much any more. With this medication I am taking I seem to have this pesky habit of suddenly dozing off at odd times...and for some reason this seems to annoy her...particularly when I'm driving.
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 09:36 PM
Mongojoe, on 12 March 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:
Thank you.... And I intend to try what you suggest the next time I get a chance to get out and shoot.... Any more I pretty much have to wait for the wife...or my son in law, who lives next door...to get some free time to take me out, so I can do a little shooting... My wife doesn't like for me to drive much any more. With this medication I am taking I seem to have this pesky habit of suddenly dozing off at odd times...and for some reason this seems to annoy her...particularly when I'm driving.
You must not have gone out shooting enough. If you had
your car would know the route well enough to handle the
drive by itself once you started on the right path. Then
all you would need to do is to wear dark sunglasses so
no one would know when you dozed off. lol
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:03 PM
Damn Mongo. I like the pistola. I would like to caution you about falling a sleep while shooting. If you think doing that while driving is bad, doing it while shooting is so much worse...
For a CC gun, I do not think anything over 15 yards will be needed. It is more of a down and dirty gun, point and drop. No time to setup the shot, no time to aim, just point it and shoot. So if you can keep them on the paper, that is good enough.
Dru.
For a CC gun, I do not think anything over 15 yards will be needed. It is more of a down and dirty gun, point and drop. No time to setup the shot, no time to aim, just point it and shoot. So if you can keep them on the paper, that is good enough.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:30 PM
In combat shooting one should always keep in mind
the statistics. Over two 20 year surveys of such
shooting it was found that 97% of the time all such
shoots were within 6 yards just as fast as the
weapon could be drawn and fired at the target.
One must also remember that between all the people
that were in such shooting situations, police,
private business people, private persons on the
street, or in their home, the average was of
98% miss of their target.
These forty year averages just prove at what range,
and what speed is needed in a combat shooting
situation, and how few are really good enough.
Now, remember, that also included police officers.
How I practice my combat skill in this type of
shooting is to not only fire at distances of
2 yds, 7 yds, and 15 yds, but also get to where
I am always with groups of 6 inches on a full
sheet of typing paper, then I fold it in half.
When I get good enough to keep all the rounds
on that size, I start using only a quarter of
the full sheet. I always fire in groups of
two rounds, with three groups of draw/fire per
target. I also save on the cost of ammo by
using the indoor, plastic ammo. Reloading that
only costs the price of the primers, and can
be reloaded by hand in a couple of seconds.
(After recovering your plastic bullets.)
A really good indoor target 'body' is an old
army duffel bag stuffed tightly with old
rags, and hung from the ceiling (or a tree).
The plastic bullets can sometimes break a
window, raise a very sore bruised welt on
a person, put out an eye, etc, but not much
else. They are quite consistently accurate at
those short combat ranges, though. And, they
do not penetrate into the duffel bag. You don't
even need a range either. I just pin my paper
target to the bag.
the statistics. Over two 20 year surveys of such
shooting it was found that 97% of the time all such
shoots were within 6 yards just as fast as the
weapon could be drawn and fired at the target.
One must also remember that between all the people
that were in such shooting situations, police,
private business people, private persons on the
street, or in their home, the average was of
98% miss of their target.
These forty year averages just prove at what range,
and what speed is needed in a combat shooting
situation, and how few are really good enough.
Now, remember, that also included police officers.
How I practice my combat skill in this type of
shooting is to not only fire at distances of
2 yds, 7 yds, and 15 yds, but also get to where
I am always with groups of 6 inches on a full
sheet of typing paper, then I fold it in half.
When I get good enough to keep all the rounds
on that size, I start using only a quarter of
the full sheet. I always fire in groups of
two rounds, with three groups of draw/fire per
target. I also save on the cost of ammo by
using the indoor, plastic ammo. Reloading that
only costs the price of the primers, and can
be reloaded by hand in a couple of seconds.
(After recovering your plastic bullets.)
A really good indoor target 'body' is an old
army duffel bag stuffed tightly with old
rags, and hung from the ceiling (or a tree).
The plastic bullets can sometimes break a
window, raise a very sore bruised welt on
a person, put out an eye, etc, but not much
else. They are quite consistently accurate at
those short combat ranges, though. And, they
do not penetrate into the duffel bag. You don't
even need a range either. I just pin my paper
target to the bag.
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